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		<title>By: Aiden Choles</title>
		<link>http://www.connectioneconomy.com/2006/09/28/facing-up-to-problems-and-their-solutions/#comment-9247</link>
		<dc:creator>Aiden Choles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We've wrestled with the issue of how to lessen the impact/role of the facilitator in eliciting stories. We're not quite ready to have them happen in other languages :)

Let me put a thought out there - I'm keen to hear if you have thought about it. I've noticed that when people share stories in a group the the story threads (if you like) are often moulded and directed by the very first story (or even, comment) that is offered. So, if I were to assign a categorising criteria to a story, lets say, as a story about a painful customer experience. Once that story is told, the group latches onto it and then follows that thread until someone offers another and redirects the story flow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve wrestled with the issue of how to lessen the impact/role of the facilitator in eliciting stories. We&#8217;re not quite ready to have them happen in other languages <img src='http://www.connectioneconomy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Let me put a thought out there - I&#8217;m keen to hear if you have thought about it. I&#8217;ve noticed that when people share stories in a group the the story threads (if you like) are often moulded and directed by the very first story (or even, comment) that is offered. So, if I were to assign a categorising criteria to a story, lets say, as a story about a painful customer experience. Once that story is told, the group latches onto it and then follows that thread until someone offers another and redirects the story flow.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Snowden</title>
		<link>http://www.connectioneconomy.com/2006/09/28/facing-up-to-problems-and-their-solutions/#comment-9227</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Snowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just curious Aiden - given that you were on the course you know most of our methods - and we also publish them so all can have access and read them.  If you do the same I can comment!

The way you ask people to filter the material, the way it which it is gathered and the role of the facilitator all influence outcomes.  When we did the original development we went to the extreme of facilitating in English while people spoke in their own languages (Danish, Mandarin etc) so that there was no danger of influence.  Now we can easily and cheaply gather large volumes of narrative, self interpreted by the originator (not the group with facilitator influence) we can now rely more on the output - both in quantitative and qualitative terms.

You should pick up on some of your post course entitlement to use the stuff - would be interested to see what you made of it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just curious Aiden - given that you were on the course you know most of our methods - and we also publish them so all can have access and read them.  If you do the same I can comment!</p>
<p>The way you ask people to filter the material, the way it which it is gathered and the role of the facilitator all influence outcomes.  When we did the original development we went to the extreme of facilitating in English while people spoke in their own languages (Danish, Mandarin etc) so that there was no danger of influence.  Now we can easily and cheaply gather large volumes of narrative, self interpreted by the originator (not the group with facilitator influence) we can now rely more on the output - both in quantitative and qualitative terms.</p>
<p>You should pick up on some of your post course entitlement to use the stuff - would be interested to see what you made of it</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden Choles</title>
		<link>http://www.connectioneconomy.com/2006/09/28/facing-up-to-problems-and-their-solutions/#comment-9224</link>
		<dc:creator>Aiden Choles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mm Dave, not entirely sure how to read your question ... if it does at all? Having read some of your writing and hearing you speak I'm pretty sure you have a solid case against anything "expert". This is not what we do though, so I think I'm safe. We do capture stories and ask the group delegates to filter them for us and make sense of them with as little facilitator interference as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mm Dave, not entirely sure how to read your question &#8230; if it does at all? Having read some of your writing and hearing you speak I&#8217;m pretty sure you have a solid case against anything &#8220;expert&#8221;. This is not what we do though, so I think I&#8217;m safe. We do capture stories and ask the group delegates to filter them for us and make sense of them with as little facilitator interference as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Snowden</title>
		<link>http://www.connectioneconomy.com/2006/09/28/facing-up-to-problems-and-their-solutions/#comment-9043</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Snowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Aiden - looks interesting
So is this an expert assessment of narrative - or are you planning to use the sort of anecdote capture and self interpretation tools that we trainined you on in the course.  Always interesting to see what the network picks up on (and what it doesn't)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Aiden - looks interesting<br />
So is this an expert assessment of narrative - or are you planning to use the sort of anecdote capture and self interpretation tools that we trainined you on in the course.  Always interesting to see what the network picks up on (and what it doesn&#8217;t)</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden Choles</title>
		<link>http://www.connectioneconomy.com/2006/09/28/facing-up-to-problems-and-their-solutions/#comment-9035</link>
		<dc:creator>Aiden Choles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, a really nice wikipedia article on cynefin. It is succint and useful. Will definately point people towards it when discussing the model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, a really nice wikipedia article on cynefin. It is succint and useful. Will definately point people towards it when discussing the model.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden Choles</title>
		<link>http://www.connectioneconomy.com/2006/09/28/facing-up-to-problems-and-their-solutions/#comment-9032</link>
		<dc:creator>Aiden Choles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

Thanks for checking out the article, and for your reference links.

I'll be posting a more detailed article on ONM in the future, but for now let me say this about it.

It is a group of techniques and processes we (myself, Keith and Barrie) are developing in response to companies engaging in organisational culture review. I say review, because most people automatically associate the word "change" with organisational culture. Like I have said in the article, this presupposes that a change in culture is required. It is almost as if it is part of our larger narrative as organisations in which we assume our culture is in constant need of change. What we try and do then is map the narrative of the organisation prior to asserting or making any decisions about what needs to happen to the culture ... if anything needs to happen. The idea of doing this is informed by our experience and our dissatisfaction of predicated change. Your work on pre-hypothesis testing has also been helpful in us developing a stance on the issue.

If possible, we'd like to begin steering away from using the word "culture" and lump it into our un-Lexicon. Along with others words associated with established disciplines, it carries with it a baggage of it's own that in most case limits the work we do on organisational narratives. 

Instead, we'd like to do work (and this is ONM) that gets to grip with the organisation's narrative: its identify, corporate memory, soul and being. All of this goes beyond the typical levels of an organisation i.e. what we do, how we do it and how we say we do it.

So, ONM is a process firmly based on two frameworks: narrative -  as a means of gathering, capturing, engaging with the organisation and savvy leadership - a means of engaging with the organisation's leaders in this narrative.

Hoep this gives you some idea of what ONM is about and is becoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Thanks for checking out the article, and for your reference links.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be posting a more detailed article on ONM in the future, but for now let me say this about it.</p>
<p>It is a group of techniques and processes we (myself, Keith and Barrie) are developing in response to companies engaging in organisational culture review. I say review, because most people automatically associate the word &#8220;change&#8221; with organisational culture. Like I have said in the article, this presupposes that a change in culture is required. It is almost as if it is part of our larger narrative as organisations in which we assume our culture is in constant need of change. What we try and do then is map the narrative of the organisation prior to asserting or making any decisions about what needs to happen to the culture &#8230; if anything needs to happen. The idea of doing this is informed by our experience and our dissatisfaction of predicated change. Your work on pre-hypothesis testing has also been helpful in us developing a stance on the issue.</p>
<p>If possible, we&#8217;d like to begin steering away from using the word &#8220;culture&#8221; and lump it into our un-Lexicon. Along with others words associated with established disciplines, it carries with it a baggage of it&#8217;s own that in most case limits the work we do on organisational narratives. </p>
<p>Instead, we&#8217;d like to do work (and this is ONM) that gets to grip with the organisation&#8217;s narrative: its identify, corporate memory, soul and being. All of this goes beyond the typical levels of an organisation i.e. what we do, how we do it and how we say we do it.</p>
<p>So, ONM is a process firmly based on two frameworks: narrative -  as a means of gathering, capturing, engaging with the organisation and savvy leadership - a means of engaging with the organisation&#8217;s leaders in this narrative.</p>
<p>Hoep this gives you some idea of what ONM is about and is becoming.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Snowden</title>
		<link>http://www.connectioneconomy.com/2006/09/28/facing-up-to-problems-and-their-solutions/#comment-8603</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Snowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article Aiden and good to see that it picks up on the 3 generations of KM argument (original article at  http://www.cognitive-edge.com/articledetails.php?articleid=13 for those interested) and the Cynefin framework for different types of decision types (ordered, complex and chaotic) (http://www.cognitive-edge.com/articledetails.php?articleid=40).  Cynefin even has a wikkipedia article now.

I'm interested to know more about what you mean by Organisational Narrative Mapping.  If it picks up on the material from the Cognitive Edge accreditation course that you attended in South Africa then I would like to blog a reference (along with other work by people in the network)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article Aiden and good to see that it picks up on the 3 generations of KM argument (original article at  <a href="http://www.cognitive-edge.com/articledetails.php?articleid=13" rel="nofollow">http://www.cognitive-edge.com/articledetails.php?articleid=13</a> for those interested) and the Cynefin framework for different types of decision types (ordered, complex and chaotic) (http://www.cognitive-edge.com/articledetails.php?articleid=40).  Cynefin even has a wikkipedia article now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested to know more about what you mean by Organisational Narrative Mapping.  If it picks up on the material from the Cognitive Edge accreditation course that you attended in South Africa then I would like to blog a reference (along with other work by people in the network)</p>
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